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19 January 2026

CIA Whistleblower: They Can See All Your Messages! I Was Under Surveillance In Pakistan!

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Hot Take· 4

Hot Take42:00

Kiriakou Says the CIA Is Better at Updates Than Foresight

Kiriakou rejects the image of CIA personnel as uniquely brilliant and claims the agency has missed many major global developments. He says it performs better at daily presidential reporting and recruiting lower-level sources than at anticipating large geopolitical shifts. This is his broad assessment rather than an episode-wide audit of agency performance.

  • Kiriakou describes CIA staff as ordinary people rather than uniquely gifted analysts
  • He lists major events he says the agency failed to anticipate
  • He distinguishes daily reporting skill from strategic foresight
  • The claim is attributed to Kiriakou and not independently tested in the interview

We're not as smart as we think we are.

John Kiriakou · 42:00

The big picture items, we're just not good at it.

John Kiriakou · 42:30
#cia#forecasting#intelligence-failures#analysis
Hot Take42:00

Kiriakou Claims US Agencies Can Buy Personal Metadata

Kiriakou claims post-9/11 surveillance practices have made Americans' data widely available to intelligence and law-enforcement bodies. He says agencies can buy metadata from carriers rather than seek a warrant, then connects that exposure to his own prosecution. The episode does not independently establish the legal scope or current frequency of these practices.

  • Kiriakou contrasts pre-9/11 restrictions with what he describes as current surveillance
  • He claims personal metadata can be purchased from carriers
  • He argues that social and digital records make people vulnerable to investigation
  • His legal and surveillance claims are presented as his account, not independently verified findings

All they have to do is just buy your metadata, cuz it's for sale.

John Kiriakou · 43:30

We've made ourselves vulnerable.

John Kiriakou · 43:30
#surveillance#metadata#privacy#law-enforcement
Hot Take1:21:30

Why Kiriakou Believes Epstein Was an Israeli Access Agent

Kiriakou says he strongly believes Jeffrey Epstein worked for Israeli intelligence, reasoning that Epstein resembled an access agent who could reach powerful people and collect compromising material. He cites reported hidden cameras and Epstein's favorable 2006 plea arrangement as circumstantial support. Kiriakou offers no direct proof in the episode, acknowledges other possibilities, and his conclusion remains speculation.

  • Kiriakou defines an access agent as a recruit who can approach otherwise difficult targets
  • He interprets Epstein's wealth, social access, and reported cameras through that model
  • He suggests compromising recordings could have been used as leverage
  • He acknowledges Epstein might instead have been doubled by US authorities or others
  • The espionage conclusion is Kiriakou's belief, not an established fact

I believe very strongly he was a spy, yes.

John Kiriakou · 1:21:30

It's possible that he could have been doubled against the Israelis or others.

John Kiriakou · 1:25:00
#jeffrey-epstein#access-agent#espionage#speculation
Hot Take1:29:00

Kiriakou's Argument That Venezuela Could Legitimize Spheres of Influence

Discussing a reported US operation in Venezuela, Kiriakou argues that invoking a Western Hemisphere sphere of influence could strengthen Russian and Chinese claims over Ukraine and Taiwan. He says this may accelerate a shift from a US-led unipolar order toward a multipolar one, which he personally considers safer. These are geopolitical interpretations and predictions, not established outcomes.

  • Kiriakou frames the reported Maduro operation through the Monroe Doctrine
  • He asks whether US conduct implicitly validates rival powers' regional claims
  • He predicts the United States may not fight Chinese forces over Taiwan
  • He distinguishes Taiwan from formal or major non-NATO allies in the region
  • The causal link and future response remain his analysis

It looks like we've given the green light to both of those countries.

John Kiriakou · 1:31:00

Personally, I think a multipolar world is safer.

John Kiriakou · 1:31:30
#venezuela#taiwan#geopolitics#multipolarity

Explainer· 2

Explainer47:30

What Kiriakou Says the Vault 7 Files Revealed

Kiriakou points to WikiLeaks' 2017 Vault 7 release as the basis for claims about CIA capabilities involving connected televisions, digital attribution, and vehicle computer systems. He asserts that agencies can intercept communications and remotely compromise devices. The interview does not inspect the documents or establish which described capabilities remain operational.

  • Kiriakou says a CIA software engineer supplied classified documents to WikiLeaks
  • He claims tools could make a smart television collect room audio while appearing off
  • He says operations could leave Cyrillic clues to suggest Russian attribution
  • He also claims vehicle systems could be remotely manipulated
  • These are Kiriakou's interpretations of Vault 7, not demonstrations in the episode

They became what WikiLeaks called the Vault 7 documents.

John Kiriakou · 48:30

They can take control, again remotely, of a car's computer system.

John Kiriakou · 49:30
#vault-7#cybersecurity#cia#connected-devices
Explainer52:00

Kiriakou Explains How Sleeper Agents Build Long-Term Cover

Kiriakou describes a sleeper agent as someone trained to pass as another nationality, placed under a false identity, and left inactive until assigned a mission. He recounts interviewing a former East German sleeper who, according to Kiriakou, refused activation after becoming a father and surrendered to the FBI after being threatened.

  • Kiriakou says language, culture, education, and social references support the cover identity
  • He describes identities built from records of children who died shortly after birth
  • An agent may live an ordinary life for decades before activation
  • His East German example chose family life and reportedly became an FBI source

A sleeper agent is someone who is taken virtually from birth and trained to be of another nationality.

John Kiriakou · 52:00

If you don't report back, I have to kill you.

John Kiriakou quoting an alleged East German handler · 55:30
#sleeper-agents#espionage#cover-identity#counterintelligence

Story· 7

Story04:00

How John Kiriakou Moved From Analysis to CIA Operations

Kiriakou says he spent 15 years at the CIA, beginning as an analyst and later moving into counterterrorism operations. He describes briefing senior US officials on Iraq and says he later led CIA counterterrorism operations in Pakistan after 9/11.

  • Kiriakou describes the CIA's basic work as recruiting sources and analyzing secrets
  • He says his analytical products served senior US policymakers
  • He recalls briefing President George H. W. Bush after Iraq invaded Kuwait
  • He later moved from analysis into counterterrorism operations

The first half of my career was in analysis.

John Kiriakou · 04:00

The job was very straightforward. It was to recruit spies to steal secrets.

John Kiriakou · 07:30
#cia#intelligence-analysis#counterterrorism#career
Story17:30

The Professor Who Revealed He Was Recruiting for the CIA

Kiriakou says psychiatrist Jerrold Post taught his psychology of leadership class while covertly working as a CIA officer. After grading Kiriakou's psychological profile of his boss, Post privately invited him to enter the CIA recruitment process.

  • Kiriakou says he had wanted to be a spy since childhood
  • He studied Middle Eastern studies and foreign policy in Washington
  • His assignment was to observe his boss and write a psychological profile
  • He says Post disclosed a CIA role and immediately referred him for testing

I'm a CIA officer undercover as a professor here.

John Kiriakou quoting Jerrold Post · 19:30

Would you like to be a spy?

John Kiriakou quoting Jerrold Post · 19:30
#cia-recruitment#education#jerrold-post#career
Story21:00

How Operational Secrecy Strained Kiriakou's Marriage

Kiriakou describes being unable to explain late-night meetings, surveillance work, or what happened during his day. He says the secrecy produced suspicion and contributed to the end of his marriage, while also acknowledging that he had told his wife about applying despite instructions not to tell anyone.

  • Kiriakou says his wife knew he applied but could not know operational details
  • Late-night coded calls required him to leave without a credible explanation
  • He recalls returning home after waiting in a garbage dumpster for a document drop
  • He says the relationship eventually ended in divorce

What did you do? Not a darn thing.

John Kiriakou · 21:30

So we ended up getting a divorce.

John Kiriakou · 22:30
#secrecy#marriage#undercover-work#personal-cost
Story44:30

Kiriakou's Account of the Charges That Preceded His Prison Term

Kiriakou says officials sought espionage charges after he spoke publicly about the CIA torture program. He describes facing five felony charges, exhausting his finances on legal fees, and accepting a plea after prosecutors offered to drop or potentially restore the espionage counts. This segment reflects his account of the case.

  • Kiriakou says he was charged with five felonies including three espionage counts
  • He reports spending $2 million on legal fees over about 10 months
  • He says prosecutors dropped the espionage charges while preserving the threat of restoring them
  • He accepted a lesser charge and served 23 months in prison

They waited until I went bankrupt 10 months later with $2 million in legal fees.

John Kiriakou · 45:00

I ended up doing 23 months.

John Kiriakou · 45:30
#whistleblowing#prosecution#espionage-act#prison
Story1:04:00

The Episode's Account of MKUltra and Operation Midnight Climax

Kiriakou and the host discuss historical allegations that the CIA administered LSD without consent, including to employees and men brought to a safe house by sex workers. Kiriakou also claims the agency released a biological agent in San Francisco and connects surviving MKUltra records to an order destroying files. The episode presents no primary documents, and its medical and casualty claims are not independently verified here.

  • Kiriakou says MKUltra began after disinformation about a supposed Soviet LSD program
  • He alleges CIA employees and members of the public were dosed without consent
  • The host describes Operation Midnight Climax from material he is reading during the interview
  • Kiriakou says most related files were destroyed and only overlooked records survived
  • Claims about illness, suicide, mind control, and disease testing remain attributed claims in this extraction

They started by dosing their own employees without telling them.

John Kiriakou · 1:06:00

We'll never know exactly what happened under MK Ultra.

John Kiriakou · 1:08:30
#mkultra#cia-history#lsd#human-experimentation
Story1:11:00

The Intelligence Answer Kiriakou Still Connects to a Janitor's Death

Kiriakou recalls giving General Colin Powell the location of Iraqi intelligence headquarters after being asked who would oversee an alleged plot against President George H. W. Bush. He says US cruise missiles struck the building hours later and killed a janitor. Although his boss told him he could not have known how the information would be used, Kiriakou says he still feels guilty.

  • Kiriakou says Powell asked who controlled the relevant Iraqi operation and where that official worked
  • He supplied an address in Baghdad
  • He says 47 cruise missiles hit the headquarters about eight hours later
  • Kiriakou reports that a janitor was killed
  • He distinguishes lack of foreknowledge from his continuing sense of responsibility

I know, but I still feel guilty about it.

John Kiriakou · 1:13:00

Thank God, I never had to do it.

John Kiriakou · 1:13:00
#intelligence#moral-injury#iraq#accountability
Story1:40:30

Kiriakou on Depression, Self-Pity, and Rebuilding His Career

Kiriakou says he has experienced depression throughout his life and struggled to get out of bed after his second divorce, prison, and difficulty finding work. He describes deciding to stop feeling sorry for himself and build around writing and storytelling. This is his personal account of change, not medical advice or evidence that action alone treats depression.

  • Kiriakou self-reports lifelong depression and a severe low period after his second divorce
  • He felt unemployable as a convicted felon and worried about paying rent
  • He chose writing, newspaper columns, television, and podcasts as a new career path
  • He says his finances and personal life later improved
  • The episode does not discuss clinical assessment, treatment, or whether his approach generalizes

I have struggled with depression my entire life.

John Kiriakou · 1:41:00

I was going to go make a career on my own.

John Kiriakou · 1:41:30
#depression#career-rebuild#writing#personal-account

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway1:36:00

Why Kiriakou Says Whistleblowing Was Worth Prison

Kiriakou says ethics and adherence to law drove his decision to expose the CIA torture program. He argues that US law against torture had not changed, while government conduct had, and says later anti-torture legislation made his personal cost worthwhile. His statements about particular programs and responsibility are presented as his account.

  • Kiriakou says torture was illegal, immoral, unethical, and ineffective
  • He contrasts earlier US punishment of waterboarding with its later use after 2001
  • He alleges secret prisons and foreign partners were used to torture prisoners
  • He says Senator John McCain credited his disclosures when discussing 2014 anti-torture legislation
  • Kiriakou says he would accept prison again for making the disclosure

The law never changed. We changed.

John Kiriakou · 1:37:30

That's why I say it was worth it.

John Kiriakou · 1:40:00
#ethics#whistleblowing#torture#rule-of-law