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25 August 2022

Growing A 10+ Million Youtube Following At The Age of 22: Joe Sugg

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Frameworks in this episode

Insights & moments

The myth-busts, hot takes, explainers, and tools worth keeping.

Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster09:00

Perfectionism can be a flattering name for creative self-doubt

Steven Bartlett attributes to Nir Eyal the claim that procrastination can arise when people avoid the psychological discomfort associated with a task. Bartlett suggests that calling this perfectionism can flatter the procrastinator, while Sugg describes delaying creative work when its imperfect beginning fails to match the finished version in his imagination. These are their interpretations, not a clinical finding established by the interview.

  • Bartlett presents task discomfort as one possible driver of procrastination.
  • A familiar, competent chore can displace a more uncertain task.
  • Sugg imagines polished creative outcomes before beginning.
  • An awkward first attempt can then feel like a threatening mismatch.

you'll end up doing the washing up because that's the task you're competent in

Steven Bartlett · 09:30

this is not how I imagined

Joe Sugg · 10:30
#procrastination#perfectionism#creativity#self-doubt

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take17:00

Rapid creator success can reset expectations before the fall

Bartlett argues from his experience working with young YouTubers that early money and attention can distort expectations about future opportunities. Sugg agrees that the rise and fall can now happen even faster, and says this informed the management company he started with Caspar Lee, where they aim to mentor young creators through pressure, criticism, and uncertainty.

  • Early YouTube briefly concentrated online video attention and brand spending.
  • Bartlett worries that unusually easy early rewards can become a psychological trap.
  • Sugg says larger audiences bring more critics, trolls, and negative attention.
  • His management role includes sharing experience and offering support when clients need it.

the rise but also the fall can happen so quick

Joe Sugg · 19:00

a big role of what we have in that is being in a way called mentors

Joe Sugg · 19:30
#creator economy#fame#expectations#mentoring

Explainer· 2

Explainer08:00

His best- and worst-case voices compete over every decision

Sugg describes a vivid imagination that generates an optimistic outcome and confidence, while a competing self-doubting voice produces the worst case. He believes the tension contributes to indecision, but says he values having both rather than being governed entirely by confidence or doubt.

  • Imagining the best outcome can generate confidence.
  • Imagining the worst outcome introduces caution and self-doubt.
  • The competing projections can make decisions difficult.
  • He sees some value in retaining both perspectives.

they have a battle in my head of how I should think

Joe Sugg · 08:30

I think that's where the indecision comes from

Joe Sugg · 08:30
#self-doubt#confidence#indecision#imagination
Explainer33:00

What happens when a YouTube audience grows out of the format

Sugg believes many early viewers aged out of the content he knew how to make, while Bartlett adds the possibility that algorithm and format changes also reduced performance. Sugg resists blaming the platform alone: he says creators also need to change with their audience, although changing an established online identity proved harder than he expected.

  • Viewers who began watching as teenagers had different lives and tastes years later.
  • Lower numbers can feel like an audience vote against the creator's work.
  • YouTube shifted from predominantly shorter videos toward more long-form viewing.
  • Sugg treats adaptation as a creator responsibility as well as a platform issue.

the stuff that I knew how to make back then is not what they want to consume now

Joe Sugg · 33:30

I need to shift what I'm doing with the times

Joe Sugg · 35:00
#youtube#audience#algorithms#adaptation

Story· 7

Story02:30

Self-deprecation became Joe Sugg's defence against teasing

Sugg says the move from a 52-pupil primary school to a secondary school of more than 1,000 coincided with becoming quieter and encountering teasing. He recalls learning that making fun of himself first could make other pupils lose interest in doing it.

  • He felt confident and known in his small primary school.
  • The much larger secondary school changed his social environment.
  • He distinguishes teasing from what he would call sustained bullying.
  • Self-deprecation functioned as a protective social tactic.

if I'm already sort of poking fun at myself they will get bored

Joe Sugg · 03:30
#childhood#confidence#teasing#self-deprecation
Story05:00

Roof thatching gave his uncertain YouTube career a safety net

Despite strong A-level grades and his school's advice, Sugg chose to learn roof thatching from his uncle and found the physical craft deeply satisfying. When YouTube began growing from a hobby into a possible career, knowing he could return to work he genuinely loved made a one-year attempt feel safer.

  • Thatching was learned through apprenticeship and work rather than a classroom course.
  • Completing a visible roof gave him a strong sense of accomplishment.
  • He retained his A-levels as an additional fallback.
  • A loved and credible alternative reduced the risk of trying YouTube.

I always like the idea of having safety nets underneath me

Joe Sugg · 07:00

I can go back to a job that I genuinely really really love

Joe Sugg · 07:30
#career#risk#craft#youtube
Story23:00

One email took him from a thatched roof to Simon Cowell's house

Sugg recalls working on roofs five days a week when an invitation arrived to fly to Los Angeles and interview Simon Cowell. The sudden contrast—from straw in his shoes to business class and a celebrity's home—felt unreal and contributed to the imposter syndrome he says continued even before this podcast appearance.

  • His sister Zoe and Alfie encouraged him to try the format they had enjoyed as children.
  • He believes the timing of early YouTube helped simple videos spread quickly.
  • The leap from manual work to celebrity access felt like a double life.
  • He says imposter syndrome can make people question whether they deserve opportunities.

yesterday I was on a roof thatching and now I'm sat in Simon Cowell's fancy house

Joe Sugg · 25:30

there should be other people

Joe Sugg · 26:30
#youtube#fame#imposter syndrome#career change
Story29:30

Three channels and multiple projects pushed him toward burnout

Around 2016 or 2017, Sugg says he was independently ideating, filming, editing, promoting, and maintaining three YouTube channels while also working on a book and a BBC Studios feature. He contrasts the anxiety and overload he felt with the clear daily structure of roof thatching, while also acknowledging that every career has difficult conditions.

  • He was handling the full production cycle without help.
  • A book and a travel feature added to the simultaneous workload.
  • His former job had fixed hours and a predictable sequence of tasks.
  • Support from YouTube, colleagues, friends, and family helped him through the period.

three YouTube channels that I was trying to all keep up at the same time

Joe Sugg · 30:00

I had such a solid structure

Joe Sugg · 31:00
#burnout#workload#structure#youtube
Story39:00

Balcony gardening gave him distance from the online whirlwind

During lockdown, Sugg began caring for plants on his balcony and says the simple activity made him feel calm and reduced his anxiety at the time. He turned the experience and memories of his countryside childhood into a partly practical book about finding an individual balance between online and offline life, not rejecting social media or phones.

  • Gardening directed his attention toward caring for something outside himself.
  • He personally associated nature with calm and his rural childhood.
  • His book combines memoir with practical suggestions.
  • He presents balance as individual rather than claiming social media is universally bad.

disconnecting myself from that and sort of reconnecting myself with something as simple as nature made me feel so good

Joe Sugg · 39:30

finding a balance that's right for you

Joe Sugg · 41:00
#nature#gardening#social media#balance
Story47:00

Strictly's forced proximity bypassed his tendency to overthink dating

Sugg says he and Dianne Buswell might not have connected outside Strictly Come Dancing, because even contestants with different partners saw little of one another. Sixteen weeks of close training exposed them to each other's best and worst moments under growing pressure; after the show, missing that time together led them to decide to meet as a couple.

  • Buswell was Sugg's first serious girlfriend.
  • Being paired ensured repeated time together without dating being the initial goal.
  • Competition pressure revealed how each responded on difficult days.
  • They discussed seeing each other after the show ended.

we saw the best and the worst in each other

Joe Sugg · 49:00

I actually kind of want to spend more time with you

Joe Sugg · 49:30
#relationships#strictly come dancing#overthinking#proximity
Story51:00

A paparazzi pursuit turned an early date into a James Bond escape

On an early trip with Dianne Buswell, Sugg says he recognised a parked photographer and later noticed the same car following them. He reports becoming so anxious that concentrating on driving was difficult, so he diverted from their destination and, with the James Bond theme playing, safely lost the follower before continuing.

  • Public attention around the new relationship made him alert to being watched.
  • A distinctive borrowed Aston Martin made his car easy to follow.
  • He chose not to lead the photographer to their destination.
  • No photographs from the pursuit appeared in the press.

I actually can't concentrate on driving because I know this person is just trying to follow us

Joe Sugg · 52:00

put on the James Bond theme song

Joe Sugg · 52:00
#paparazzi#privacy#anxiety#fame

Q&A· 1

Q&A42:00

Therapy helped him name a fear of upsetting other people

Sugg says speaking with his sister Zoe, who had experienced anxiety herself, helped him understand and acknowledge what he was feeling. He describes therapy as helping him recognise a people-pleasing pattern: he worries that acting as his unapologetic self could offend someone, and says he is still working on why other people's opinions carry so much weight for him. This is his personal account of therapy, not a promised outcome for others.

  • A close family member's experience made anxiety easier to discuss.
  • His sister's example also reduced the stigma he associated with seeking therapy.
  • He says therapy helped him acknowledge his people-pleasing tendency.
  • The pattern remains an active area of work rather than a resolved issue.

acknowledging what it is and then bringing some sort of understanding to it

Joe Sugg · 42:30

I'm like terrified of upsetting someone or saying the wrong thing

Joe Sugg · 44:30
#therapy#anxiety#people pleasing#self-awareness

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway12:30

Chasing the next big wave can displace work you already love

Sugg compares his early YouTube success with catching an exceptional wave and says he now feels pressure to find another. His therapist's question—why he needs another big wave—opens a wider discussion about confusing public accomplishment with success and sidelining hobbies that make him happy in pursuit of faster external results.

  • He enjoys spinning several creative plates rather than committing to one craft.
  • YouTube's early scale became the benchmark for later projects.
  • He notices himself prioritising activities with faster success potential.
  • The discussion distinguishes accomplishment from happiness.

why do you need to catch the next big wave

Joe Sugg · 15:00

real success probably is actually being happy

Steven Bartlett · 15:30
#success#happiness#creativity#expectations